1 00:00:13,482 --> 00:00:15,103 [police siren wailing] 2 00:01:02,793 --> 00:01:04,000 [man 1 speaking] 3 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 [man 2 speaking] 4 00:01:05,896 --> 00:01:07,620 [man 3 speaking] 5 00:01:07,689 --> 00:01:09,793 [man 4] The thing inside of me, it's like... 6 00:01:11,275 --> 00:01:12,172 The appetite. 7 00:01:12,172 --> 00:01:13,206 It's like a wolf that's... 8 00:01:15,517 --> 00:01:18,172 feeling hunger. 9 00:01:31,724 --> 00:01:35,103 [news anchor] A North Dakota Highway Patrol investigation continues 10 00:01:35,172 --> 00:01:37,689 into a fatal crash on I-94. 11 00:01:37,689 --> 00:01:41,827 Officials say 38-year-old John Bridges was driving this van 12 00:01:41,896 --> 00:01:44,379 when it collided with the overpass support column. 13 00:01:44,379 --> 00:01:46,275 First responders arrived. 14 00:01:46,275 --> 00:01:49,482 The passenger, 40-year-old Lee Clay, dead at the scene. 15 00:01:49,482 --> 00:01:52,172 Bridges was transported to a local hospital 16 00:01:52,172 --> 00:01:54,310 and the investigation is ongoing. 17 00:03:30,827 --> 00:03:33,586 John Bridges is talking about 18 00:03:33,586 --> 00:03:36,413 this accident that's happened, and the victim 19 00:03:36,482 --> 00:03:38,827 essentially succumbing to injuries due to an accident 20 00:03:38,896 --> 00:03:40,482 and it's just not believable. 21 00:03:40,482 --> 00:03:42,793 I think what Bridges is showing us is that 22 00:03:42,793 --> 00:03:45,413 he has sort of a disconnect from reality 23 00:03:45,482 --> 00:03:49,793 and what the rest of us would naturally assume or conclusions we might draw. 24 00:03:49,793 --> 00:03:53,275 This is pretty consistent with what we see in psychopathic individuals 25 00:03:53,275 --> 00:03:55,793 where they're not really concerned about fact 26 00:03:55,793 --> 00:03:57,827 or integrity to what they're saying, 27 00:03:57,896 --> 00:03:59,275 or the plausibility of the story. 28 00:03:59,275 --> 00:04:01,896 They tend to come across at times as glib, 29 00:04:01,896 --> 00:04:05,931 and not super concerned about a chronic need to lie, 30 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,896 or pathological lying, that we sometimes see in them. 31 00:05:03,586 --> 00:05:07,586 I think Bridges is starting to make attempts at trying to control the interview. 32 00:05:07,586 --> 00:05:11,586 He is trying to figure out what detectives want from him. 33 00:05:11,586 --> 00:05:15,793 And that chameleon-like tendency that we see in psychopathic individuals 34 00:05:15,793 --> 00:05:19,000 is something that allows them to navigate their environment. 35 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,275 They try to figure out what the people they're interacting with want. 36 00:05:22,275 --> 00:05:25,379 How they want them to react, how they want them to emote, 37 00:05:25,379 --> 00:05:27,931 or show emotions, and how they want them to behave. 38 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,103 So, I think that's really what we're seeing with Bridges, 39 00:05:30,103 --> 00:05:32,310 is he's trying to get a read on the detectives. 40 00:06:12,689 --> 00:06:15,068 Typically, whenever people have been involved 41 00:06:15,068 --> 00:06:16,896 in a fatal accident such as this, 42 00:06:16,896 --> 00:06:18,310 where someone has passed away, 43 00:06:18,379 --> 00:06:21,896 you would expect the person to be emotional, 44 00:06:21,896 --> 00:06:24,517 perhaps crying, screaming, upset, 45 00:06:24,586 --> 00:06:27,793 or almost frozen and unable to speak 46 00:06:27,793 --> 00:06:29,586 because of the shock or the trauma. 47 00:06:29,586 --> 00:06:33,724 Mr. Bridges is discussing this death as if it's just 48 00:06:33,793 --> 00:06:37,379 another day driving on the highway. 49 00:06:37,379 --> 00:06:41,689 He is actually demonstrating the shallow affect that's seen in psychopathy. 50 00:06:41,689 --> 00:06:44,896 He knows he should say he's upset. 51 00:06:44,896 --> 00:06:48,620 But he's not really appearing upset at all. 52 00:06:48,689 --> 00:06:51,103 In fact, he's appearing a bit angry. 53 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:42,103 He's getting increasingly frustrated, 54 00:07:42,103 --> 00:07:45,586 obviously, by the tone in his voice, his posture, 55 00:07:45,586 --> 00:07:48,482 he's getting increasingly frustrated at the questioning 56 00:07:48,482 --> 00:07:51,758 and, I think, recognizing that he's caught. 57 00:07:51,758 --> 00:07:55,689 And so, he tries to gain control over the interview 58 00:07:55,758 --> 00:08:00,793 by asking them questions, expecting them to tell him. "Well, what did you see? 59 00:08:00,862 --> 00:08:04,103 What exactly are you accusing me of?" 60 00:08:04,103 --> 00:08:06,793 [Dr. Sahni] John Bridges is giving detectives an explanation 61 00:08:06,793 --> 00:08:09,965 of what he believes happened, and it doesn't add up. 62 00:08:09,965 --> 00:08:13,275 A reasonable human being would draw different conclusions. 63 00:08:13,275 --> 00:08:16,965 And what we see is Bridges isn't really concerned about the inconsistencies. 64 00:09:41,379 --> 00:09:44,862 He is talking about demands and says, "That's my only demand." 65 00:09:44,862 --> 00:09:49,103 But really, he is not in any position to make demands at all. 66 00:09:49,172 --> 00:09:52,000 But that's part of what we see in psychopaths as well, 67 00:09:52,068 --> 00:09:54,103 is this, again, this grandiosity. 68 00:09:54,172 --> 00:09:58,068 An inflated sense of what he has the authority to do. 69 00:09:58,068 --> 00:10:00,517 So this grandiosity leads him to believe 70 00:10:00,586 --> 00:10:04,482 that he actually does have the right to be making demands. 71 00:10:04,482 --> 00:10:07,586 When, in fact, he absolutely does not. 72 00:11:14,275 --> 00:11:18,275 John Bridges talks about how he has paranoia, 73 00:11:18,275 --> 00:11:20,275 and he starts to set the groundwork 74 00:11:20,275 --> 00:11:23,758 for being mentally ill or legally incompetent, 75 00:11:23,758 --> 00:11:28,482 and wanting to strategize his legal case by claiming insanity. 76 00:11:28,482 --> 00:11:30,793 And we see this in individuals who are seasoned criminals, 77 00:11:30,793 --> 00:11:34,103 who know the judicial system, know how to navigate it. 78 00:11:34,172 --> 00:11:36,586 The problem we have is that Bridges' description 79 00:11:36,586 --> 00:11:41,413 of how he's experiencing these visions isn't consistent with visual hallucinations. 80 00:11:41,482 --> 00:11:44,586 It's not consistent with auditory hallucinations. 81 00:11:44,586 --> 00:11:50,689 And he goes on to give a fairly accurate accounting that is linear and in order 82 00:11:50,758 --> 00:11:54,586 of what he remembers about this scenario and this out-of-body experience, 83 00:11:54,586 --> 00:11:57,482 which is highly inconsistent with psychosis and paranoia. 84 00:12:47,965 --> 00:12:51,379 When Bridges is describing to police what his steps were 85 00:12:51,448 --> 00:12:54,172 in terms of shopping for these items, 86 00:12:54,241 --> 00:12:57,689 the ties, the knife, the duct tape, 87 00:12:57,689 --> 00:13:00,068 he's describing this all very matter-of-factly. 88 00:13:00,068 --> 00:13:01,689 His affect is somewhat limited, 89 00:13:01,689 --> 00:13:04,068 there's a little bit of glib in what he's saying, 90 00:13:04,068 --> 00:13:07,000 and he's describing this as if it was our grocery list 91 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,793 and shopping list, and he just went to the store to pick up milk and eggs. 92 00:15:04,896 --> 00:15:07,379 [Dr. Tussey] He seems to be enjoying the thrill, 93 00:15:07,379 --> 00:15:11,275 the excitement of having complete domination over the victim 94 00:15:11,275 --> 00:15:14,448 and mentally manipulating him. 95 00:15:14,448 --> 00:15:16,896 "You do what I tell you, and you'll survive. 96 00:15:16,896 --> 00:15:19,965 But if not, then it's gonna be a bad outcome." 97 00:15:19,965 --> 00:15:23,000 And he seems to thrive off of that power. 98 00:15:50,586 --> 00:15:55,689 Blaming the victim is part and parcel of a psychopath's M.O. 99 00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:57,758 It's often someone else's fault. 100 00:15:57,758 --> 00:16:00,862 And in this case, Mr. Bridges is blaming the victim. 101 00:16:00,862 --> 00:16:03,896 "Well, he tried to get out of the zip ties." 102 00:16:03,965 --> 00:16:07,862 And, you know, "He was going to attack me, so I had to attack him back." 103 00:16:07,862 --> 00:16:09,896 Almost as if it's self-defense. 104 00:16:50,275 --> 00:16:54,000 Mr. Bridges uses the words that he was "in the zone" 105 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,275 while he was stabbing the victim. It's typically a term we use for sports, 106 00:16:58,275 --> 00:17:02,448 or something more positive than murdering someone. 107 00:17:02,448 --> 00:17:08,275 For him, "in the zone" perhaps means he was only focused on completing his goal. 108 00:17:38,551 --> 00:17:40,275 [Dr. Sahni] Individuals that are psychopathic 109 00:17:40,344 --> 00:17:44,862 often times do not experience emotions in the same range that the rest of us do. 110 00:17:44,862 --> 00:17:48,689 So often times their highs take more to stimulate, 111 00:17:48,689 --> 00:17:51,000 and their lows take more to pull them out of. 112 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,482 And this may be what we're seeing with Bridges in this moment, 113 00:17:53,482 --> 00:17:56,655 is that as he's recalling the details of what he did to the victim 114 00:17:56,655 --> 00:17:59,862 in those moments when he was physically stabbing him, 115 00:17:59,862 --> 00:18:03,896 he's getting a bit of a secondary high off of that. 116 00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:07,482 It's unclear if there really was overkill, or if it was a response 117 00:18:07,482 --> 00:18:09,586 to the amount of adrenaline he may have been experiencing. 118 00:18:09,586 --> 00:18:13,379 But certainly the amount of violence that he committed against the victim 119 00:18:13,448 --> 00:18:17,758 was far more than was necessary to render him helpless. 120 00:19:04,482 --> 00:19:07,896 [Dr. Tussey] Speaking of Mr. Bridges' long history of deviant behavior, 121 00:19:07,896 --> 00:19:10,896 it's noteworthy that, according to the records, 122 00:19:10,896 --> 00:19:14,000 he had gotten into multiple fights while he was in school. 123 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,689 He threatened his mother with a knife. 124 00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:21,758 Uh, reportedly, at age 15, he disclosed that he wanted to kill someone 125 00:19:21,758 --> 00:19:24,000 just to see what it was like to kill someone. 126 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,862 He ultimately did murder someone by age 16. 127 00:19:28,862 --> 00:19:35,344 There's a lot of red flags for psychopathic behavior starting from early childhood. 128 00:19:53,689 --> 00:19:58,689 Mr. Bridges makes comments such as, "I don't wanna make a big stink of this," 129 00:19:58,758 --> 00:20:03,034 as if he's talking about throwing out days-old leftovers. 130 00:20:03,034 --> 00:20:06,379 But he's actually talking about murdering someone. 131 00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:12,068 It's yet another attempt of him to control the players in the situation 132 00:20:12,068 --> 00:20:16,448 as if he's a puppeteer and he's directing them to do what he wants. 133 00:20:32,344 --> 00:20:37,275 The psychologist has never seen anyone, to date, 134 00:20:38,965 --> 00:20:44,551 that is as psychopathic or as dangerous as you are. 135 00:20:44,551 --> 00:20:48,586 You, in essence, have viewed people like animals, and you hunt them. 136 00:20:48,586 --> 00:20:50,172 Is that what I'm to take from this? 137 00:20:52,965 --> 00:20:56,379 [judge] It is very clear to this court that... 138 00:20:56,448 --> 00:21:00,137 the only way the public is safe, is for you to not have an opportunity 139 00:21:00,137 --> 00:21:02,482 to prey upon an unsuspecting public again.